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Is there some way to connect MelonDS to a real DS?
I have a WEP router connection available if that matters. I was trying to do it and struggling to do so. On the front page it says: (WIP) Wifi: local multiplayer, online connectivity Which I assumed meant DS to emulator, although based on what I've seen that seems to be only emulator to emulator. If anyone has an idea on how to do this even on other emulators, please tell me 
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Newcomer Inactive Level: 4 Posts: 1/3 EXP: 188 Next: 91 Since: 05-05-21 Last post: 1308 days ago Last view: 346 days ago |
You should check this
https://melonds.kuribo64.net/board/thread.php?id=285 |
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 Big fire melon Administrator Level: 45 
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emulator <-> real DS connection is only supported for wfc. You need to connect both melonDS and the DS to the same wifi (dns) server and then exchange friendcode. ____________________ Take me to your heart / never let me go! "clearly you need to mow more lawns and buy a better pc" - Hydr8gon |
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Posted by Uihdve wirelessly, no internet Posted by Generic aka RSDuck so games without nintendo wfc have no chance of being played? my goal is to play AW:Dual Strike, so there's no WFC support. ____________________ Check out my socials at https://scrizzyl.com |
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Big fire melon Administrator Level: 45
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Posted by Sizzyl yes ____________________ Take me to your heart / never let me go! "clearly you need to mow more lawns and buy a better pc" - Hydr8gon |
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There's never been anyone working on something like this? I'm sure it's hard to make just like anything else related to emulators, but with how many games this affects I thought it'd be a priority ngl ____________________ Check out my socials at https://scrizzyl.com |
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 Big melon Normal user Level: 28 
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Nobody's been working on something like this because it'd be a shit ton of work and there's a good chance it'll turn out to be impossible. ____________________ Nothing to say, so jadnjkfmnjamnfjkldnajfnjkanfjdksan jsdnvj m. |
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Newcomer Inactive Level: 4 Posts: 3/3 EXP: 188 Next: 91 Since: 05-05-21 Last post: 1308 days ago Last view: 346 days ago |
Posted by Sizzyl why don't you fuckin do it |
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Big fire melon magical melon girl Level: 58 
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why don't YOU do it, entitled brat
Posted by Sizzyl thing is, we support local multiplayer, to some extent, but between melonDS instances, where we can just exchange packets through IPC. supporting local multiplayer with a real DS would have two major constraints: 1. requiring low-level access to a wifi adapter, so that we could reproduce the quirks of Nintendo's local multiplayer protocol. 2. timings. local multiplayer has tight timings (that is why it's hard to get it working in the emulator, and that is also why it's finicky on the real thing and begins shitting itself at distances greater than 10m). the DS wifi hardware has special features to assist local-multiplayer exchanges. on a typical PC, with OS scheduling and all, there would be no way to enforce these specific timings, unless we had code in driver space maybe. in short, the sheer amount of work required, the low probability for success, and the requirements it would have, make this a low priority item. ____________________ Kuribo64 |
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Out of curiosity, is there an emulator (of any console) that has the ability to connect with a "real" console? I searched emulation.gametechwiki.com and couldn't find any example. |
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Big fire melon Administrator Level: 45
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melonDS is the only one which supports local wirelss in any form at all.
And it's really just not feasible as Arisotura already outlined, except maybe for an emulator running on an FPGA. ____________________ Take me to your heart / never let me go! "clearly you need to mow more lawns and buy a better pc" - Hydr8gon |
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Big fire melon magical melon girl Level: 58
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Big melon Normal user Level: 28
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He said "of any console", so melonDS isn't the only one that emulates local wireless. Citra supports local wireless too. Can't connect to a real 3DS, though. ____________________ Nothing to say, so jadnjkfmnjamnfjkldnajfnjkanfjdksan jsdnvj m. |
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Posted by poudink This^ I am not just talking about DS emulators. I am talking about ANY emulators. Seems that emulator-to-console connectivity is really hard to achieve. Well, after doing a little research, the only emulator that has come close is PPSSPP. In conclusion, this seems to be a feature that no other emulator has achieved, so posting on the forum asking "There's never been anyone working on something like this?" is just absurd. We should call this the "final boss" of melonDS development:P |
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The PSP and 3DS both do local wireless networking on a high level.
That's why its easy to use them for playing with local instances and even the internet with no issues. There are no tight timings (for the most part) like on DS. For PPSSPP you could play with a PSP but the PSP side needs a plugin that decryptes the communication and also like 10 games are playable lol. |
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Posted by Arisotura Posted by Uihdve Sorry, I often come across as a bit of an asshole when saying stuff, wasn't trying to shit talk people, just didn't know any of the information at hand. I know obviously that making theses emulators are a bunch of work and then replicating wireless capabilities are really hard (despite having 0 experience working with them myself), but I just assumed it might be possible due to it having been achieved to a degree between GBA emulators and I misunderstood the main page's "WIP wireless" stuff. Thanks for the people who explained why what I was saying is dumb, kinda interesting to heard about some of this stuff despite the fact that I doubt I'll ever look into it all that deep myself. I was just genuinely curious about wether or not something like this existed, similar to Saizo7, but unlike him my wording definitely came across wrong. Sorry if my questions angered some people. Posted by Saizo7 ____________________ Check out my socials at https://scrizzyl.com |
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Big melon Normal user Level: 28
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it looked to me like Arisotura was replying to Uihdve but I might be wrong ____________________ Nothing to say, so jadnjkfmnjamnfjkldnajfnjkanfjdksan jsdnvj m. |
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Posted by poudink Could be, I had a hard time telling due to the fact that I was the only one quoted, but that was likely an oversight. ____________________ Check out my socials at https://scrizzyl.com |
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